Hydrogen Hydrogen Oxygen

HHO, or “Aquagen” is a new fuel that can be mixed with gasoline and will improve mileage by 50%. Any truth to this? And in its pure state, what PSI does this “aquagen” require for storage onboard and in wholesale transport? Hydrogen requires 10,000 PSI; what does HHO require? How much energy is required to manufacture this gas? What’s the difference between this and “Brown’s Gas,” or “Oxyhydrogen”? In burning apparently HHO turns into harmless H2O. Is this a bunch of green snake oil, or is this another exciting and very real innovation?

We once received an email to the editor, requesting anonymity, stating a 747 jet had been modified to use water as fuel. Then again, on the internet one can find supposedly sworn testimony from USAF officers stating a craft the size of Manhattan emerged from the ocean and flew into outer space.

Ref: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa1meqFFjjM This is a news video reporting on a Florida entrepreneur’s “water technologies and the powerful forces who want to get their hands on them.” There is a commenter to this video makes this observation: “News anchors don’t do much research and obviously, neither do you. You should study the WFC (water fuel cell) videos on youtube. Conventional electrolysis is slow and costly and generates heat.”

Ref: Hydrogen_Technology_Applications_Inc
Here we learn: “This technology is practically indistinguishable from Brown’s Gas systems. The electrolytic process used is claimed to be more comparable to “Magnegas” than traditional electrolysis, but because the water especially is made conductive, via electrolyte, the 1′st and 2′nd laws of electrolysis apply. There is an ongoing debate as to the novelty of electric arc technology as compared to electrolysis, but for the time being distinction will remain. The generator produced by HTA in Florida is a quality machine that will help the progress of the Brown’s Gas industry, my only qualm is the confusion introduced by the creation of the novel term “HHO” that represents a gas that is practically indistinguishable from Brown’s Gas. The gas has the exact same properties as Brown’s Gas, and the only way to make distinction in on a molecular level whereas “HHO” is claimed to contain a novel magnecular bond different than an Ionic bond, a Hydrogen bond, and a Covalent bond. With the introduction of HHO as a new phenomenon, the long history of the gas is not considered, showing much disrespect for a now deceased Yull Brown and hundreds of other individuals working with Brown’s Gas technology worldwide. ”

But the hype goes on… From here: http://www.fuelfromh2o.com/how-it-works.html “A fallacy out there is that it takes more energy to produce the HHO than the energy it releases. Not at all true, that’s why there are HHO generators available out there. You can produce HHO [at what rate?] with as little as 1.5 volts DC and an amp of current.”

Even if 100% of the usable electricity used in the electrolysis could be converted into usable “aquagen,” it can’t be seen as a source of energy, any more than hydrogen can. It has to be manufactured using electricity that presumably was itself manufactured somehow. If it improves auto mileage by mixing with gasoline, the amount of this improvement in MPG has to be reduced to the extent energy was used to create the electricity required. Is there a net energy savings? Is there damage to the engine? How much cleaner are the emissions? How much do these units cost? Are they practical?

Bottom line – we want to keep our eyes on claims like this, but like the air car, which Wired Magazine exposed in their report “Air Car Caught in Turbulence,” reality doesn’t always live up to the claims of the makers. Regarding the air car: “By MDI’s grudging admission, the prototypes do not yet live up to their promised levels of performance. In fact, in the only published road test to date, one of the cars traveled a little over seven kilometers (4.5 miles) on a full tank of air.”

You can never get more energy out of something than you put into it. We want to try to track all of these novel technologies, but with most of them there is less than meets the eye. Green snake oil has been bottled and sold since the first earth day – the ageless purveyors just added a tinge of green – and now more than ever we all want to find the magic salve.

4 Responses to “Hydrogen Hydrogen Oxygen”
  1. Mike Davis says:

    HHO, H2O. If it actually worked all the auto makers would be using the technology. I found their web site a while back and you have two google ads advertising this technology right now.

  2. Mike Davis says:

    Actually there are four.

  3. Greg Field says:

    So, with all this skepticism questioning whether this is a myth due to the “something for nothing” exclusion, what about the notion that, even though you are drawing energy at 12V from the cars alternator, aren’t you merely converting energy at a much more efficient rate than if you were simply burning gasoline, and so wouldn’t this simply translate into improving your chemical and electrical energy to power efficiency so as to give you greatly improved mileage? I have a local mechanic who has in fact demonstrated this to be true in his own test vehicle (20mpg improved to 30mpg). Why is this concept so hard to believe? It seems easy enough to prove. The mixture of hydrogen and oxygen so produced does not have to be compressed or stored, but can be fed through a tube directly into the throttle body band into the engine with no harm and no engine modifications. It’s the naysayers of the world who like to shoot down bold new concepts, and why society as a whole is so stuck in its addiction to carbon/petroleum based energy.

    Lets get to work and present the facts instead of feeding useless skepticism to the naysayers and non believers

  4. Pete Piper says:

    H-H-O Gas (Browns Gas) created via an electrolysis process for use in an automobile has been proven cost effective and relatively safe. HHO systems for cutting torches are available commercially from several companies today. The gas has some unique properties for cutting application.

    Hydrogen gas is generated using a “cell” (usually SS 316L or SS 308 in a series of plates or tubes) that are charged ++ or n+- within a distilled water solution (with electrolyte – baking soda) thus breaking or separating the H2O molecule bonds (at below boiling point) producing a gas that can be fed into the air intake of a car. (note: it is believed that the original designs by the late Stan Meyers utilized a ++ configuration thus making the water act as a capacitor to generate HHO)

    Since HHO gas combusts much more efficiently than typical liquid petrol combined with O2 there is increased efficiency of the combustion process. (there is a reason that you have a catalytic converter in your exhaust – to complete the burn out of petrol carbons not combusted before releasing out through the exhaust.)

    HHO cells installed on cars with EFI (non-carburettor) must be integrated with an EFIE controller to control (or lean out) the O2 reading to the cars computer (since more O2 is entering with the HHO), otherwise more petrol will be injected and wasted — defeating the purpose of the additional H-H-O gas. Because HHO is being generated on demand only when the car is running there is no chance of a major explosion or fire. (i.e. Hindenburg). The system can be shut off to revert the car back to petrol gas — especially important for emissions testing when they expect higher levels (you probably don’t want to draw attention to what’s under the hood and open yourself up to undue regulation or scrutiny.

    Thousand of people have retrofitted their vehicles with this upgrade. Auto manufacturers (and certainly oil companies) have no incentive whatsoever for offering this retrofit for existing vehicles, so many small grass roots companies and boutique garage shops have sprung up offering guides, cells, and services all over the U.S. and globally. Claims of 20-80% gas savings through these efficiency gains are claimed – however 30% appears to be the norm. Systems of different configuration cost $100′s to $1000′s depending on the quality and configuration. (search eBay -”HHO”)

    There are plenty of web sites and videos online to research this technology. If you go to YouTube.com and search for “HHO Install” you can be busy learning on the backs of others for hours. Detailed construction and installation / testing videos are online for public viewing. Many of these DIY retrofitters take a very scientific approach to prove out the efficiency of their designs and to be certain results are validated. (so – no hoax is concealed)
    Supposedly the IRS offers a tax incentive for certain gas saving technologies and pundits claim HHO retrofits qualify.

    All interesting, and “fuel” for thought.


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