Electric Car Cost Per Mile

With the advent of the Tesla Roadster, a new generation of 100% battery powered car is upon us. It’s about time. But hybrids with extra battery packs, known as “strong hybrids,” and their counterparts, hybrids that you can plug in to recharge, appropriately known as “plug-in hybrids,” are moving out of the hands of tinkerers and into the mainstream.

An interesting study from CalCars.org, entitled “100+ MPG Hybrids” makes the case that cars powered by electricity from the power grid can get over 100 miles to the gallon. This is somewhat misleading – because cars powered from the grid, to the extent they’re using grid electricity stored on-board, are not getting miles per gallon, they’re getting miles per kilowatt-hour.


Assume a car is a strong hybrid, with range on a battery charge sufficient to fulfill a normal daily commute cycle, and assume that the car is a plug-in hybrid, getting recharged at night from the power grid so no gasoline energy whatsoever is used in its daily functions. This is not a huge assumption – these cars are here today, and soon they will make it out of the tinkerer’s garages and onto the dealer’s showroom floors. How much per mile does it cost to drive these cars?

The math isn’t all that challenging if you are really interested in knowing the answer. First of all, assume a gas powered car gets 30 MPG, and gas costs $3.00. This means a gas car costs $.10 per mile to drive.

Next assume a gasoline powered car has an engine that converts the energy in gasoline into mechanical energy at an efficiency of 25%. This is typical; the rest of the energy is lost in extraneous motion, friction and heat. This means that if a gasoline engine were 100% efficient, that same car could go 120 miles on a gallon instead of only 30 miles per gallon.

Here’s where it gets interesting. A battery will recharge and discharge kilowatt-hours from the power grid at an efficiency of 90%. An electric motor will convert electricity into mechanical energy at an efficiency that is also about 90% (the larger the engine the better the efficiency). This means a battery powered electric car will convert kilowatt-hours from the power grid into mechanical energy at an efficiency of over 80% (90% times 90%).

For this reason, a battery powered car can take that same one gallon of gasoline, using the equivalent amount in kilowatt-hours, and go 96 miles, more than three times what a gasoline powered car can do.

The rest is simple. There are 32.91 kilowatt-hours of energy in a gallon of gas, and the market cost consumers pay for kilowatt-hours is about $.10 (this varies widely, but for recharging at night during off-peak rates $.10 is probably on the high side), which means for $3.29 you can drive an electric car 96 miles. That equates to 2.9 miles per kilowatt-hour, or 3.4 cents per mile. Compared to gasoline powered cars, all-electric cars use far less energy to drive the same distance, and consequently cost far less to fuel.

This is why we will see strong hybrids, plug-in hybrids, and 100% battery powered cars on the roads within a few short years. For references and more in-depth explanations of these formulas, read “The Battery Powered Car.”

Gasoline vs. Electricity


41 Responses to “Electric Car Cost Per Mile”
  1. kerrry Beauchrt says:

    The major costs for an electric car is not the electricity it uses.

    Those who have ever bought a small toy car know that it’s the batteries that cost a fortune. That Tesla you mention uses 6,871 lithion ion cells batteris. Total cost (wholesale) is around $20,000. Life expectency is 4 to 5 years, making battery yearly costs more than $4,000 plus electricity costs of somewhere around $300. A 25 MPG gasoline car driven 12,000 miles has gasoline costs of less than $1,500 for $3 gallon gasoline. Electric cars are EXPENSIVE to own. It has nothing to do with the costs of a kilowatt hour.

    And an electric car loses at least 20% of its capacity by the 4th year. Because of its short range, time required for recharging and lack of recharging stations, no electric car can satisfy a person’s driving requirements. It can only function as a second car. A VERY expensive grocery getter.

  2. Ed Ring says:

    You are absolutely right in the points you make regarding the cost of lithium ion batteries. They have other problems, such as with heat management, and Tesla is banking on a lot of improvements in battery safety and cost in order for a car car like that to become viable for the rest of us.

    It’s interesting, the point you are making about the cost of the car itself (as opposed to the cost of operating it) is the same point we make with respect to fuel cell powered cars (of course they cost a lot to operate as well, but that’s another story) in our post http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2006/05/23/the-hydrogen-hoax/

    On the other hand, nickel metal hydride batteries are now down to $3,000 per pack in hybrid cars, maybe double that to make a pack sufficient for a 100% battery powered car (and the EV-1 used modified lead acid batteries, actually). I think a serial hybrid car, where a constant RPM diesel powers an onboard generator to recharge the batteries that power an electric motor – but isn’t itself (the diesel) connected to the drive train – is a less complex way to build a hybrid car, and potentially more viable.

    I believe we are getting close to seeing electric cars that are affordable for commute cycles – where they have a daily range requirement of 100 miles or less. At least the Tesla puts to rest the notion that electric cars have no power.

  3. Tom King says:

    Remember when Bill Gates said that computers would never need more than 640K of RAM? The statement made complete sense at the time but the trends were all against him, just like they against gasoline cars today. The gorgeous electric Xebra PK pickup truck costs only 10,000 even when produced in tiny numbers. Yes it’d be nice to have a little more speed and range, but the writing is on the wall. Batteries are improving in leaps and bounds while gasoline prices won’t be stopping at 3,4,5, or even 6 bucks a gallon. To forecast the future, ignore the small obstacles and pay attention to the overall trend.

  4. Brian Schend says:

    As far as price – Maybe it is $20,000 for batteries, but if you look at the Mitsubishi Miev electric prototype, you will notice that there is no cooling system, no drive train, no differential and no transmission. All of that stuff costs money to produce initially, and all break down a lot more than a modern battery. Today’s lithium-ion batteries don’t go bad after 4 years, and the NiMH batteries in the 1999 Prius have yet to fail or lose charge.

  5. Kyle Hester says:

    Regarding the Tesla and battery cost. When you buy a Ferrari, the cost of the vehicle is what it is because of what the vehicle can do. To over simplify the Tesla by speaking in terms of battery cost is missing the point. Battery cost will come down with supply and demand.

  6. David Beard says:

    Actually the Generation II EV1 had NiMh batteries, But in a larger format than is being used in current hybrids. Allot of the problems associated with Lithium batteries are chemistry specific. Lithium cobalt has a tendency to catch fire, slip into a condition called thermal runaway, or explode. This is due to the fact that the chemical reaction of cobalt releases oxygen during a fire..which fuels the fire. Lithium phosphate chemistries do not exhibit this tendency…In short they are inherently much safer. Unfortunately this safety comes at the sacrifice of some energy density. But it is a trade off we can live with. Nanotechnology is bringing improvements in battery technology and Lithiums in the pipeline are now capable of much higher charge/discharge rates…ultimately this will lead to smaller packs and some reduced costs.

    Other improvements can be found in changing the way cars are built too….composite materials can be cost effective and competitive with steel, but the manufacturing requirements are different. extensive use of plastics though has some hiddn advantages such as reduced parts count. A part that was traditional made up of several pieces of steel can be molded in a single piece, cutting costs and assembly times. Colors can molded directly into the part, avoiding the need to paint the car.

  7. John Spradley says:

    Not all electric cars are the same. I have less than $7000 in my
    25 year old conversion, including $1300 for new Lead Acid batteries. My gas bill went from $298 in May to ZERO in July and August.
    My solar roof-top system pays for all the electricity.

    Maintenance? Tires, Brakes, suspension. I calculate my 1981
    Ford Electrica is good for another 25 years. Simple. Reliable, easy
    to maintain. My 2nd car, a Chevy 3500 van gets about 11 miles per gallon.

    True, I gave up a lot, but I gained much more!

  8. Skarrin says:

    “And an electric car loses at least 20% of its capacity by the 4th year.”
    A minor problem with this apodictic statement is that the NiCd batteries in my ’95 Renault Express are so ignorant about this “fact”, that they still have more than rated capacity (147 instead of 136 Ah) after 11 years.
    And those people who already drove >60k miles in a Think city, >50k miles with a Twike, or >150k miles with RAV4 EVs without replacing the batteries, must all be aliens from a parallel universe.

    The biggest problem with EVs are uninformed and clueless people completely ignoring facts, and not willing to learn.

  9. Patrick Wright says:

    I never understand why people think there is a lack of charging stations for electric cars. Almost every garage in the country has a 110v outlet. I’ve kept a driving record for many years and have found that I drive more than 200 miles in a day approximately 5 times a year. If I had an electric car my “fuel tank” would be full every morning – I wouldn’t need charging stations scattered all over town.

  10. Dave Robert says:

    The laws of thermodynamics that limit internal combustion engine efficiency are also acting on power plants as well. You’ve entirely neglected the waste heat that’s part of the combustion cycle at the power plant. A high quality combined cycle gas turbine might yield a maximum of 60% efficiency if you’re doing electricity only. Applying that factor to your equation gives a result of about 50% efficiency, i.e. 80% x 60%=48%. That would get you about 60 MPG equivalent. Not bad, but it’s not 96.

  11. Brian schend says:

    60% Efficiency at the power plant x 80% at the car is valid. So let’s add drilling, refining, and truck transport to gasoline. While pipeline is comparable to transmission lines in efficiency, they don’t go to every home like power lines do. So, considering refining, drilling and trucking, gasoline would likewise drop to around 15 MPG equivalent under this scenario.

    Hey, if you’re gonna count production and distribution against the electric car, you should charge it against the gasoline car as well.

  12. David Grove says:

    “Hey, if you’re gonna count production and distribution against the electric car, you should charge it against the gasoline car as well.”

    The important thing is to start at the same starting place and measure the cost from there. Start from a gallon of gasoline. Then use it either to power a conventional automobile, or, alternatively, to fuel an electric power plant and eventually power an EV.

    Both require the same starting point. The upstream petroleum production costs accrue to both.

    To make the EV vs IC powered behicle comparison by basing the electric vehicle cost on energy in electrical form, while basing the ICE vehicle cost on energy in petroleum form isn’t quite legitimate, in my opinion.

    One could make the argument that electricity to power an EV need not be based on a petroleum product if one is considering nuclear, hydroelectric, or coal sources for electricity production.

  13. nikhil.p.jadhav says:

    hi i am a engineering student and would like to give a seminar on nuclear powered car so can you give any information so that i can give this seminar thanking you

  14. sculptor says:

    Well, since most of the salient points where addressed in the above discussion I’ll only add that it’s nice (and more efficient) to have an IC vehicle during cold weather because the waste heat can be used to keep ones feet warm. This is called co-generation and it is very efficient if used correctly.

    My idea of an ideal vehicle would be a plug-able diesel hybrid. It would get about 70 mpg on the highway and 80 mpg in city driving when it’s off the grid.

  15. Brooklands says:

    I am no engineer or expert on any of this, but i would think that if we can have transportation modules using electricity made from coal, hydro, solar, wind, or other sources, as well as hydrogen fuel cells, IC petroleum engines, and anything else that develops, our resources across the world will be better utilized and meet more needs for particular vehicles.

  16. ben howser says:

    You compare the efficiency of turning gasoline into mechanical energy (25%) with the efficiency of turning electricity into mechanical energy (80%). Fine. But in making the cost comparison, you make the inherent assumption that the gasoline was turned into electrical power at 100% efficiency. However, typical electric power plant efficiency is approximately only 37%. This is the ratio of electrical energy per chemical energy in the fossil fuel being burned to create that energy. Therefore the net efficiency of the electric car powered by a fossil fuel burning power station is only 30%, just slightly above the efficiency of burning the fuel directly in the vehicle.

  17. dj Galate says:

    Thank you for all the calcualtions.
    Unless I missed it, you folks did not factor in federal and state taxes on Gasoline. Gasoline itself is really pretty cheap.

    You can be sure our fine friends at the State and Federal level will not allow people using the roads in electric cars to get away without paying fuel taxes very long.

    After adding the taxes to the electric car (per 33 kilowatt/ hr equal to taxes on a gallon of gasoline) I suspect the annual fuel/ total mileage costs, between electric and gas, will be much closer.

    My two cents
    Dj
    PS Be careful what you wish for. Watch for that mandatory, prepaid, Kilowatt/hr meter. It will be installed in all electric/hybrid vehicles that draw electric power from any stationary source (grid, generator,other). They will then start taxing you a Kilowatt road tax from that meter (kind of like a prepaid, automatic, toll collector. If you don’t pay (prepay your meter when you charge up), a little red light on top of your car will light up so they can easily identify and ticket you. The fines and penalties will probably be added as if you ran a toll.

  18. Dimitris T says:

    However your calculations miss one important part: how was the electricity to charge the batteries generated ?

    It comes from a power plant, which, is about 30% efficient in converting nuclear/petrol/carbon/whatever power into electricity. I believe therefore that, when we look at the big picture, it is unfair to state that “IC engine = 25% eff, electric = 80% eff.”

    As many people have indicated, the real limitation is the battery technology. All other things are already there.

  19. Bruce Zanetta says:

    This appears to be a very good “yardstick” way of comparing mpg to mpkw at least while our mpg society makes the mental transition to kw(h) or caloric or juels or carbon positive or….
    Some previous criticisms miss the measurement mark here. This starts with cost to consumer. What you pay at the pump and what you pay at the meter. Start your efficiency calcs from there.
    If this were well to wheel comparison then yes the plant efficiencies and electrical transmission losses would have to be included (both require mining, transport and refining of fuels so roughly a wash). Ultimately well to wheel and total cost to society will be built into the better yardstick. But we have to work our way up the learning curve first.
    Real world batteries (electric to chemical to electric conversion) are less than 80% efficient and the 300 plus extra energy storage lbs need to be factored in; however, since regenerative braking was not factored in, its probably close enough.
    For now I like this price tag to the consumer approach. Tomorrow we will work on the TOTAL price tag to society.

  20. It seems to me using the ideal conversion efficiency of 90% for electric is very optimistic. Driving habits would affect this. Although electric vehicles recover some of the energy used in accelerating to road speed when they slow down and stop, there is bound to be energy losses for braking that would reduce the efficiency from the ideal. As one writer has pointed out, efficiency of battery systems drops over time of use, as well.

    There have been experimental electric vehicles on the road for some time now. The real miles/kw-hr for those vehicles should be available and would give a better estimate of the actual cost of operating electric vehicles relative to internal combustion alternatives.

  21. I have managed to find some real cost data for electric vehicles.

    http://evhelp.com/Cost.htm

    This gentleman’s cost for a real electric vehicle was 6.5 cents/mi with an electricity cost of 11.8 cents/kwh in 2008. With gas at $2.50/gal this would be the equivalent of a 38 mile/gal internal combustion vehicle. Now the question becomes what type of IC vehicle has the the performance equivalent to this all electric vehicle, and the answer seems to be that any hybrid vehicle now being offered for sale has this performance.

    A second data point for EV cost (5.9 cents/mile), including a detailed cost analysis, is given at this site: http://www.ccds.charlotte.nc.us/~jarrett/EV/cost.php

    A plot that enables comparison of gas and electric vehicles over a range of performance values is given at this site:
    http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/avta/light_duty/fsev/fsev_gas_elec2.html

  22. Larry Towne says:

    What if you were to marry wind generation, solar generation and extend the range to 0 mpg I have plans drawn up for just such a system.

  23. Bob Wallace says:

    “However your calculations miss one important part: how was the electricity to charge the batteries generated ?
    It comes from a power plant, which, is about 30% efficient in converting nuclear/petrol/carbon/whatever power into electricity. I believe therefore that, when we look at the big picture, it is unfair to state that “IC engine = 25% eff, electric = 80% eff.””

    The article is about cost to driver, not where the cost of purchased gas/electricity derives. And the efficiency statements are about ICE vs. EV cars.

    But if you wish to address the ‘where does the electricity come from’ issue, less than 50% of our electricity now comes from coal. It dropped to 46% last year. And we increased our production from renewables from 9.4% in 2006 to 13% this year.

    Now here’s another interesting tidbit (based on DOE numbers)…

    To extract one gallon of gasoline (or equivalent distillate): 9.66 kWh
    To refine that gallon: 2.73 kWh additional energy.
    Total: 12.39 kWh per gallon.

    EVs use about 0.25 kWh per mile. There’s enough electricity used to extract and refine one gallon of gas to power an EV 49.6 miles.

    Every EV that takes an ICE off the road automatically creates its on supply of electricity.

  24. arne says:

    Very informative article and comments, but here is something I have never heard talked about.

    As 100% electric cars powered off the grid come to market and begin to achieve a net % reduction in motor fuel consumption, what new tax will be created in order to replace the loss in fuel tax revenues that “in theory” are supposed to be used to fund road construction and repair? Will state and local governments along with the US Government implement a tax on all electricity?

  25. peter says:

    Yet another cost comparison would be the cost of each automobile and the estimated maintenance required on both. I wonder what the life expectancy of a gas motor vs. electric is and the cost of tune-ups vs. new batts. Also the environmental impact of discarding or recycling each at the end of the life cycle.

  26. Bob says:

    Instead of assuming 30 mpg for the gas vehicle ltake a smart car at 50mpg as our starting point.

    Based on the calculations above, the 100% efficiency point is now equivalent to 200 mpg. The electric vehicle jumps to an equivalency of 160 mpg instead of 96. What’s wrong with this picture.

    Am I missing something or is the assumption that electric vehicle efficiency is directly related to gas vehicle efficiency valid?

  27. Neil says:

    I agree that the efficiency should include the fuel burnt at the power station, which makes the comparison much closer. I also think that although the ‘wallet’ cost to the consumer is essential in getting people to change habits – the real cost is in terms of carbon dioxide emissions – this is the crucial factor for me and burning coal to power ‘clean’ EV is plain stupid.

  28. Mark says:

    Maybe off the point, but,
    What happens if (when) gasoline hits $4.00 + a gallon again, and electric cars become in high demand and everyone gets home at approx 5 pm and plugs them in at the same time?
    The question then becomes, not HOW we generate electricity, but how do we generate enough, no?
    We have “brownouts” now. I am certainly no expert, but it seems to me this could be a problem.
    And I’m guessing that the availability of the electric car will preceed our capability to produce enough energy (especially “greenly’).
    Love to hear your thoughts.

    Thanks

  29. Ndubueze Chuku says:

    The question of having brown-outs as a result of everyone plugging their vehicles at the same time does not arise. First, America has more than five time zones which means that everyone in America will not come home at the same time to plug in their vehicles (supposing the will only charge their cars at home). Another point is that, all the cars may not need recharging the same time. Does every car in America go to the gas station at the same time to refuel? So, why will all electric cars need to be charged the same time?
    The bottom line is this, though the energy requirement for charging electric cars in general may be high, it has not reached the extent of causing brown-outs especially for developed countries like the USA, Canada, Japan, China and Western European countries.

  30. Jason Hanson says:

    Actually the brown outs (and most rolling blackouts) are a major concern. Although not everyone in the US would plug in there car at the same time, what is importent is theat everyone in a region would. Although our power grids are national, you do not transport power from California to New Your because you loose efficency the further from the power plant you transport the power.

    I this way our nation grid system is actually made up of many interconected resional systems. The problem is not over loading the nation power grid, (even though that would be a problem), the main problem would be overloading regional power grids. And since each of the regional power grids are wholly contained within one of the time zones, the point still matters.

    We would need to severly upgrade our power producing capability before an EV in every house could become a possibility.

  31. dobozban says:

    Actually, the problem with everyone plugging in at 5 is a major one, especially since this coincides with one of the highest demand points of the day. However, one way to counteract this problem would be to meter and price electricity based on the cost to produce, on a temporal scale. We have enough production capacity to meet demand during all but the very highest peak times, it’s just not used very often. At night there is a base of electricity produced by nuclear and coal since they are the cheapest to operate. As demand increases during the day, the next cheapest power plants come on line up to the peak. So the overall cost to produce 1kW of electricity at 12am is much less than at 5pm, BUT right now most consumers pay the average price of electricity, not the actual price. If the cost to consumers reflected demand, then most people would not plug their car in at 5pm, especially if they could set a timer that would start charging when the price came down. In fact, the cars could sell electricity back to the grid during the peak, per the owner’s settings. This would require new meters in everyone’s homes, but that would not be such a huge cost.

  32. xyzzy says:

    I just saw another site where they calculated “cost per mile”. I like the idea. I used my tiny Geo Metro and figured out cost per mile. The last time I filled the tank, I paid $2.50/gallon. Over the past year, the price has gone up and down, but my logbook shows the average price I paid last year was just that, $2.50. I added cost of maintenance parts, plugs, oil, oil filter, for $43 for the year. I drove almost exactly 10000 miles since last January 1st. The year before, 10125 miles. Now, I amortized the cost of rebuilding the engine at 100000 miles and at 10 years (conservative estimate. My Metro is 19 years old and has 199000 miles and will need a rebuild soon. I estimated half of what I actually have.). The last time I rebuilt an engine similar to my Metro, it cost $300 since I did all the work (except for the head) by myself. I would have spent $1500 if I swapped for a new engine. Anyway, figuring in the cost for maintenance parts and rebuilding, I came out with $0.0593 per mile. If gas rises to $3.00/gallon, my cost per mile only increases by a single penny, to $0.0693. If I replace the engine rather than rebuild at 100000, my cost per mile increases by 1.2 cents to $0.0813! All I have to do is deposit this amount of money in an account and buy my gas by withdrawing money as needed. Since I amortized the maintenance and rebuild costs, the account will have the money saved to do what I need when the scheduled maintenance and engine work needs to be done. Gas alone at my present 50 MPG around town is $0.05 per mile, $0.06 if gas goes to $3/gallon. Now, I did the same kind of thing, using the other site’s estimate of $0.01 to $0.05 per mile (I assume that is simply the cost of the electricity to recharge. The other site gives no details on the basis for their estimate.) and then added the replacement cost of that 6800 cell battery, which I heard recently was estimated to be about $18,000 (or did I read that in a comment above?) at the same 10 year, 100000 mile point in the car’s life, which adds 18 cents per mile if you want to save in advance as I did for my Metro! If the other site’s 1 to 5 cents is ONLY for recharge electricity, that puts the all-electric car up to 19 to 23 cents per mile as opposed to slightly under 6 (or a max of 8.13) cents to keep my metro running including the engine work at 100000 miles. I fail to see how converting my driving to all-electric will save me anything regarding cost of operation of the vehicle. The only way I wall save anything is if the cost of battery replacement decreases to the cost of my engine work to either rebuild or replace, otherwise the electricity cost of 5 cents per mile is competitive with my 5 cents per mile I pay now for gasoline. i can see a hybrid with a constant speed combustion engine to charge the battery as those engines can be quite clean and fuel efficient as compared to the variable speed engine using direct mechanical drive that we commonly use now. By the way, my utility company tried the variable rate pricing thing a while back, installing “smart” meters, and gave it up after 6 months and went back to the fixed rate structure. At one point, I could log on to their web site, enter the meter serial number and actually see the current readings of the meter on the side of my house in real time. The problem, people could no longer understand their utility bill! Also, it was impossible to trace usage and document WHY the bill was that particular amount. It was not cost effective to read every meter several times a day and produce a document strip of charges for each segment of the day like that strip you get at the supermarket with your purchases listed one by one. Using my house electrical system to charge an electric car would require some rewiring. That, or I turn off my electric heat while charging the battery. Last year, my utility company offered a free analysis of homes in consideration to plug-in vehicles. I am one of the losers. I will need an upgrade. Converting the wiring to take the charger load would just add that much MORE to the cost per mile to operate an electric vehicle, as if I had paid a higher price for what already is 30% more expensive to purchase up front. Sorry, shifting from my Geo Metro to electric is not cost effective for me. It makes no economic sense. All it does is shift the exhaust from my tailpipe to the stack of a power plant, which is most likely coal fired, reducing but not removing, a source of greenhouse gasses.

  33. Andy says:

    One thing everyone is missing is the true cost of gasoline. How much money did we spend to fight the war in Iraq? How much does it cost to keep a carrier task fleet in the Mediterranean or 100,000 boots on the ground? These costs should get lumped into the cost of gas, bet they aren’t. Gas should cost $10/gallon.

    In addition to that, electricity is produced domestically. When we use it, the money and jobs stay local. Electric Utilities don’t fund terrorists either (I’m starting to sound like Fox News).

  34. hebintn says:

    Our mountains are rapidly being turned into moonscapes to produce coal to run factories and heat our houses. I shudder to think what the demand for more electrons to keep all of the automobiles in the world charged would would be. We would truly have no mountains left. Perhaps we can all have nuclear power plants in our basements?

  35. adkjac says:

    Technology/industry/capitalism will solve all the problems involved with peak oil.

    Yes… it will be messy at times and bubbles in costs will happen with the rampant speculation now tied to all the public… (today’s DOW up 24.38944 points)

    The fact is… our knowledge is doubling every 18 months in all regards not just at Intel making chips.

    So… the compounding of solutions to problems we are facing is definitly ahead of the population growth curve. Also… as world populations become more tech orientated and more educated they slow their birth rates… (have less offspring-later in life)

    Autoposis is neat to be a part of.

    Drive on my fellow earthlings… and continue to solve these fun puzzles of life.
    moving with the debate into the next present.
    aj

  36. Bernard Waxman says:

    The analysis given here ignores the fact that the generation of electricity from coal or natural gas is not 100% efficient. If I remember correctly, generation of electricity from coal is only about 30% efficient. Thus electricity generated from coal is probably just as polluting as using gasoline. The only reason that electricity is so much less expensive to use is the fact that coal is so much less expensive than gasoline.

  37. shaneo says:

    Hey Bernard Waxman this site is discussing the cost of the electric car not the environmental impact and instead of blaming the electric car blame your government because its their choice to us coal as a power sorce

    PS. you can run your car on coal dust if you really want it will be less efficient though

  38. hansaman says:

    I would quess that the only way too look at this is not the economics of it but how it relates too the enviroment if battery operated cars helps so be it. But lets face it
    they ( the politicians) will never allow it to be cheaper, they will be only tax it gladly
    too wipe out any savings that might occur from any type of energy changes. Sad isnt it

  39. Jim Yates says:

    In all the discussion on the mileage advantages of electric versus gasoline I haven’t seen any discussion on the drain of heating and cooling on electic vehicles.

  40. Smokey says:

    To be realistic, expect the cost of retail electricity to double within just a few years. The arbitrage between cheap electricity and expensive gasoline will eventually narrow to essentially zero.

    If Cap & Trade passes, the cost of electricity will skyrocket. Current [and very conservative] assumptions are for the wholesale price to increase are from 4¢ to 7¢ per kwh. That’s almost double, and it won’t stop there.

    This may be mitigated by rooftop solar, but the days of cheap electric utility rates are almost over. Thank the government for trumping up the bogus catastrophic global warming scare in order to jack up taxes.

    Steep price increases will follow across the board, since almost every economic activity produces harmless and beneficial CO2. Unfortunately, your income won’t go up to compensate for the higher prices.

    And Cap & Trade won’t make a bit of difference in CO2 levels, since China, India, Russia, Brazil, and a hundred other developing countries are not going to shoot themselves in the foot like the U.S. and western Europe.

    They’ve finally figured out how to tax the air. Bastards.

    </rant>

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