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		<title>By: The Daily Bayonet &#187; Global Warming Hoax Weekly Round-Up, Oct. 2nd 2008</title>
		<link>http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2008/09/23/rational-environmentalism-2/comment-page-1/#comment-95535</link>
		<dc:creator>The Daily Bayonet &#187; Global Warming Hoax Weekly Round-Up, Oct. 2nd 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 18:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an odd link.  Rational Environmentalism.  Even I could like these guys.  Thanks to reader iceFree for the tip.  Part Four: AGW in the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nicole (Canada/England)</title>
		<link>http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2008/09/23/rational-environmentalism-2/comment-page-1/#comment-94382</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole (Canada/England)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am really having trouble understanding why you attack people who believe that we should reduce carbon emissions. I have been living in Britain for a year and the craze of short-haul flights to Europe is astounding. I must admit that I have taken one or two myself whilst living here... but the amount of emissions they produce compared to other modes of transportation is incredible. I went to school at a castle in the middle of nowhere and constantly heard planes flying above... I'm not a crazy environmentalist... I mean, I just had to research this for essays, but logically, carbon emissions must play quite a role in climate change. Why not just take the train which produces far less emissions than planes? I don't see why this article implies that there is a huge problem in balancing this? You raise a point about deforestation... but isn't part of the problem of deforestation the fact that forests are meant to reduce/absorb CO2/keep the air clean? So aren't you being a little contradictory in that? I personally don't think that it's relevant that one thing plays a bigger role than another. If it plays some sort of role, then we should probably do what we can to reduce it... at least so that we are breathing cleaner air if anything.  This article just made me feel that you should get out more... and it wasn't written particularly well for an editor.

&lt;em&gt;Editor's reply: Nicole, our position, based on the data we've evaluated, is that anthropogenic CO2 and other anthropogenic greenhouse gasses probably are having a negligible effect on climate change. If you think we are "attacking" the alarmist community, you haven't been paying much attention to who's attacking who. Global warming alarmism is the most ambitious attempt to make the rich richer in the history of the human race, and the way voices of moderation - like EcoWorld - are silenced is by accusing them, the "deniers," of having ulterior motives. The smear campaign against anyone who questions this blatant attempt (in the name of saving the earth) to reengineer the global economy so super wealthy western elites can micromanage and regulate virtually all economic activity is disgraceful, and dangerous. I'm glad you brought up the point about deforestation - much of the deforestation occuring in recent years is to grow biofuel, supposedly because this crop is a "carbon neutral" fuel. But the role of deforestation in regional (if not global) climate change is very well documented, and has little to do with CO2 absorption or emission. Deforestation in the tropics is a direct cause of droughts. Also, because reflective clouds form over forests in the tropics, when you deforest, you increase surface temperatures. Our position is land use changes in general are far more likely to be causing harmful regional climate impacts than levels of CO2. Read &lt;a href="/blog/2007/11/30/hydraulic-redistribution/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Hydraulic Redistribution&lt;/a&gt; for more on this, or any of the articles in our &lt;a href="/category/climate/" rel="nofollow"&gt;climate&lt;/a&gt; category.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am really having trouble understanding why you attack people who believe that we should reduce carbon emissions. I have been living in Britain for a year and the craze of short-haul flights to Europe is astounding. I must admit that I have taken one or two myself whilst living here&#8230; but the amount of emissions they produce compared to other modes of transportation is incredible. I went to school at a castle in the middle of nowhere and constantly heard planes flying above&#8230; I&#8217;m not a crazy environmentalist&#8230; I mean, I just had to research this for essays, but logically, carbon emissions must play quite a role in climate change. Why not just take the train which produces far less emissions than planes? I don&#8217;t see why this article implies that there is a huge problem in balancing this? You raise a point about deforestation&#8230; but isn&#8217;t part of the problem of deforestation the fact that forests are meant to reduce/absorb CO2/keep the air clean? So aren&#8217;t you being a little contradictory in that? I personally don&#8217;t think that it&#8217;s relevant that one thing plays a bigger role than another. If it plays some sort of role, then we should probably do what we can to reduce it&#8230; at least so that we are breathing cleaner air if anything.  This article just made me feel that you should get out more&#8230; and it wasn&#8217;t written particularly well for an editor.</p>
<p><em>Editor&#8217;s reply: Nicole, our position, based on the data we&#8217;ve evaluated, is that anthropogenic CO2 and other anthropogenic greenhouse gasses probably are having a negligible effect on climate change. If you think we are &#8220;attacking&#8221; the alarmist community, you haven&#8217;t been paying much attention to who&#8217;s attacking who. Global warming alarmism is the most ambitious attempt to make the rich richer in the history of the human race, and the way voices of moderation - like EcoWorld - are silenced is by accusing them, the &#8220;deniers,&#8221; of having ulterior motives. The smear campaign against anyone who questions this blatant attempt (in the name of saving the earth) to reengineer the global economy so super wealthy western elites can micromanage and regulate virtually all economic activity is disgraceful, and dangerous. I&#8217;m glad you brought up the point about deforestation - much of the deforestation occuring in recent years is to grow biofuel, supposedly because this crop is a &#8220;carbon neutral&#8221; fuel. But the role of deforestation in regional (if not global) climate change is very well documented, and has little to do with CO2 absorption or emission. Deforestation in the tropics is a direct cause of droughts. Also, because reflective clouds form over forests in the tropics, when you deforest, you increase surface temperatures. Our position is land use changes in general are far more likely to be causing harmful regional climate impacts than levels of CO2. Read <a href="/blog/2007/11/30/hydraulic-redistribution/" rel="nofollow">Hydraulic Redistribution</a> for more on this, or any of the articles in our <a href="/category/climate/" rel="nofollow">climate</a> category.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Ed Ring</title>
		<link>http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2008/09/23/rational-environmentalism-2/comment-page-1/#comment-91110</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Ring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicholas:  Panagoulis had no ist or ism.  He was a man.  And he fought for freedom, and he moved the mountain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicholas:  Panagoulis had no ist or ism.  He was a man.  And he fought for freedom, and he moved the mountain.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Pipilis</title>
		<link>http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2008/09/23/rational-environmentalism-2/comment-page-1/#comment-91109</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Pipilis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a great article explaining your interesting principles, while touching upon the life of a great greek socialist...

take care,

nicholas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a great article explaining your interesting principles, while touching upon the life of a great greek socialist&#8230;</p>
<p>take care,</p>
<p>nicholas</p>
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		<title>By: John Orth</title>
		<link>http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2008/09/23/rational-environmentalism-2/comment-page-1/#comment-91087</link>
		<dc:creator>John Orth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BRAVO to Ed Ring for expressing so well the real world environmentalism.
Keep the RATIONAL logic about our environment flowing.
It was illuminating to read of Panagoulis's observations in the Epoch of the ism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BRAVO to Ed Ring for expressing so well the real world environmentalism.<br />
Keep the RATIONAL logic about our environment flowing.<br />
It was illuminating to read of Panagoulis&#8217;s observations in the Epoch of the ism.</p>
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		<title>By: Green Blogs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Rational Environmentalism</title>
		<link>http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2008/09/23/rational-environmentalism-2/comment-page-1/#comment-91086</link>
		<dc:creator>Green Blogs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Rational Environmentalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Our mission is to rescue environmentalism from the radicals and Global Warming Hysterics &#171; UD/RK Samhälls Debatt</title>
		<link>http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2008/09/23/rational-environmentalism-2/comment-page-1/#comment-91085</link>
		<dc:creator>Our mission is to rescue environmentalism from the radicals and Global Warming Hysterics &#171; UD/RK Samhälls Debatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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