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	<title>Comments on: California Proposition 7</title>
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		<title>By: California Propositions 7 &#38; 10 &#171; Anxiety Neurosis</title>
		<link>http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2008/08/18/californias-proposition-7/comment-page-1/#comment-91390</link>
		<dc:creator>California Propositions 7 &#38; 10 &#171; Anxiety Neurosis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] also benefited greatly from Ed Ring&#8217;s analysis at EcoWorld as well as Kate&#8217;s at Hold On To That Feeling.    [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ed Ring</title>
		<link>http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2008/08/18/californias-proposition-7/comment-page-1/#comment-91138</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Ring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Connie:  It appears one of the primary backers of Proposition 7 is Peter Sperling:
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Peter_Sperling</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Connie:  It appears one of the primary backers of Proposition 7 is Peter Sperling:<br />
<a href="http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Peter_Sperling" rel="nofollow">http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Peter_Sperling</a></p>
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		<title>By: Connie</title>
		<link>http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2008/08/18/californias-proposition-7/comment-page-1/#comment-91136</link>
		<dc:creator>Connie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will some publication clearly tell us who us supporting/ not supporting this Prop 7, and why... without evasive names such as "Citizens committee" , " a buisness man from Arizona",  etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will some publication clearly tell us who us supporting/ not supporting this Prop 7, and why&#8230; without evasive names such as &#8220;Citizens committee&#8221; , &#8221; a buisness man from Arizona&#8221;,  etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2008/08/18/californias-proposition-7/comment-page-1/#comment-91128</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am pro oil. I was born pro oil. I will die pro oil. I will say this much: Why are green people some of the biggest hypocrites in this world. Why do I say this? Every time that you purchase gasoline or other petroleum products, you are supporting oil, whether it be drilled and refined by Americans or Arabs. 

If you really mean what you say, don't be a hypocrite.

I am pro Arab. I have friends that are from Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Dubai, and Palestine. They are good guys.

They feel the same way that I do. They would feel alot better if you didn't buy their products if youare that serious about your views.

Hypocrites are low. Very low.

Sincerely,

Nick Taylor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am pro oil. I was born pro oil. I will die pro oil. I will say this much: Why are green people some of the biggest hypocrites in this world. Why do I say this? Every time that you purchase gasoline or other petroleum products, you are supporting oil, whether it be drilled and refined by Americans or Arabs. </p>
<p>If you really mean what you say, don&#8217;t be a hypocrite.</p>
<p>I am pro Arab. I have friends that are from Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Dubai, and Palestine. They are good guys.</p>
<p>They feel the same way that I do. They would feel alot better if you didn&#8217;t buy their products if youare that serious about your views.</p>
<p>Hypocrites are low. Very low.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Nick Taylor</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2008/08/18/californias-proposition-7/comment-page-1/#comment-91127</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>while I agree that prop 7 is a bad thing, I wish the person who wrote this knew more about solar power.  it seems that the mainstream media is consistently 5+ years behind when it comes to quoting solar prices.  $7/Wp is reasonable maybe for a 2kW solar roof, but the huge multi MW installation going in in germany and spain currently are closer to $3/Wp installed cost.

We will certainly see installed cost of large scale solar fall to around $2-3/W in the next few years.

That said, it sounds like prop 7 is poorly implemented.  let's do a rewrite and rethink and try again next year, this time maybe with the buy in of the utilities and solar companies and environmental groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>while I agree that prop 7 is a bad thing, I wish the person who wrote this knew more about solar power.  it seems that the mainstream media is consistently 5+ years behind when it comes to quoting solar prices.  $7/Wp is reasonable maybe for a 2kW solar roof, but the huge multi MW installation going in in germany and spain currently are closer to $3/Wp installed cost.</p>
<p>We will certainly see installed cost of large scale solar fall to around $2-3/W in the next few years.</p>
<p>That said, it sounds like prop 7 is poorly implemented.  let&#8217;s do a rewrite and rethink and try again next year, this time maybe with the buy in of the utilities and solar companies and environmental groups.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2008/08/18/californias-proposition-7/comment-page-1/#comment-91068</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How quickly we forget...

Utilities didn't cause the energy crisis, Gray Davis did.  It almost bankrupted all the utilites in SoCal... Edison managed to avoid it but PG&amp;E didn't.

The article is being realistic.  To provide that much renewable power in that time period is just flat out not possible.  All the utilites are paying extreme prices right now to fuel natural gas generation of power.  It only makes sense for them to get off natural gas dependancy and go to renewable power...

Natural Gas cost has risen over 50%!!!  Its not the same price as gasoline.  I don't see any of the utilities raising their rates 50%... not even close, the PUC won't let them!!  So they are absorbing the cost of natural gas.

The idea is already there, this is just a burden too heavy to bear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How quickly we forget&#8230;</p>
<p>Utilities didn&#8217;t cause the energy crisis, Gray Davis did.  It almost bankrupted all the utilites in SoCal&#8230; Edison managed to avoid it but PG&amp;E didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>The article is being realistic.  To provide that much renewable power in that time period is just flat out not possible.  All the utilites are paying extreme prices right now to fuel natural gas generation of power.  It only makes sense for them to get off natural gas dependancy and go to renewable power&#8230;</p>
<p>Natural Gas cost has risen over 50%!!!  Its not the same price as gasoline.  I don&#8217;t see any of the utilities raising their rates 50%&#8230; not even close, the PUC won&#8217;t let them!!  So they are absorbing the cost of natural gas.</p>
<p>The idea is already there, this is just a burden too heavy to bear.</p>
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		<title>By: toegiv</title>
		<link>http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2008/08/18/californias-proposition-7/comment-page-1/#comment-91046</link>
		<dc:creator>toegiv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 04:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A concerned citizen’s lament over green initiatives




I have read with increasing alarm the confusing and muddied points surrounding Proposition 7, otherwise referred to as Big Solar. Under current provisions, the utility companies in California are supposed to expand their renewable portfolio standard by 1% in order to meet the current milestone of 20% by 2010 (according to SB1078 and SB107 and AB32). But as of this writing their commitment is only 10.9% and we are in the 3rd quarter of 2008. Apparently, mathematics isn’t required when shaping a law, or someone would have been able to add 1% annual growth to 10.9% current progress and realize that 20% is unachievable in 2010. It’s no wonder that the US educational system is the laughing stock of the industrialized world.




In fact, according to Sacramento Bee’s own article, “Utilities are not likely to reach the current target until 2012 or 2013, according to the California Public Utilities Commission. The portion of renewable energy California consumes actually has declined in the past five years, from 14 percent to 12.7 percent.” In other words, we’re currently going backwards and now the opponents of Prop 7 don’t want to buck the trend. Is it little wonder why they wish to sweep this under the rug?




Proposition 7 will require California utilities to increase their purchase of electricity generated from renewable resources by 2% annually to meet Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) requirements of 40% in 2020 and 50% in 2025. This is the most aggressive approach to switching to renewable energies and it is little wonder why the corporate giants, knowing that they are currently reducing, not increasing, their portfolio of renewables, certainly don’t want to go back to being environmentally responsible, especially if the fines they have to pay for noncompliance will be prohibited from passing along to their electric rate-payers. Also, they won’t be able to stick the consumers with all the costs associated with the switch to renewables as price impacts on consumer's electricity bills will be less than 3 percent.




This citizen is concerned that big business has once again reared its ugly head and decided to oppose improving the environment with knowable and doable resources. Among other giants wishing to be environmentally irresponsible is SMUD, but one of Prop 7’s star pitchman is David Freeman, the blunt-talking former head of SMUD.

"If we don't get off of non-renewables in this decade, then global climate change will change this life as we know it. We are in a crisis," Freeman said at last week's hearing. "As a guy who has run utilities, I can tell you it's important to keep their feet to the fire.”




David Freeman knows what he’s talking about. He isn’t some spotted owl lover who likes to camp out in trees. He’s a clear-headed businessman who has seen how things work from the inside. His words ring very prophetic, "As a guy who has run utilities, I can tell you it's important to keep their feet to the fire.” Opponents of Prop 7 want to extinguish the fire and return to the “good ol’ days” when no one paid attention to the environment and renewables were simply ideas that old hippies played around with. This old hippy wants to turn up the heat on that fire and make sure that big business does what it’s supposed to do, become environmentally conscious and concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A concerned citizen’s lament over green initiatives</p>
<p>I have read with increasing alarm the confusing and muddied points surrounding Proposition 7, otherwise referred to as Big Solar. Under current provisions, the utility companies in California are supposed to expand their renewable portfolio standard by 1% in order to meet the current milestone of 20% by 2010 (according to SB1078 and SB107 and AB32). But as of this writing their commitment is only 10.9% and we are in the 3rd quarter of 2008. Apparently, mathematics isn’t required when shaping a law, or someone would have been able to add 1% annual growth to 10.9% current progress and realize that 20% is unachievable in 2010. It’s no wonder that the US educational system is the laughing stock of the industrialized world.</p>
<p>In fact, according to Sacramento Bee’s own article, “Utilities are not likely to reach the current target until 2012 or 2013, according to the California Public Utilities Commission. The portion of renewable energy California consumes actually has declined in the past five years, from 14 percent to 12.7 percent.” In other words, we’re currently going backwards and now the opponents of Prop 7 don’t want to buck the trend. Is it little wonder why they wish to sweep this under the rug?</p>
<p>Proposition 7 will require California utilities to increase their purchase of electricity generated from renewable resources by 2% annually to meet Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) requirements of 40% in 2020 and 50% in 2025. This is the most aggressive approach to switching to renewable energies and it is little wonder why the corporate giants, knowing that they are currently reducing, not increasing, their portfolio of renewables, certainly don’t want to go back to being environmentally responsible, especially if the fines they have to pay for noncompliance will be prohibited from passing along to their electric rate-payers. Also, they won’t be able to stick the consumers with all the costs associated with the switch to renewables as price impacts on consumer&#8217;s electricity bills will be less than 3 percent.</p>
<p>This citizen is concerned that big business has once again reared its ugly head and decided to oppose improving the environment with knowable and doable resources. Among other giants wishing to be environmentally irresponsible is SMUD, but one of Prop 7’s star pitchman is David Freeman, the blunt-talking former head of SMUD.</p>
<p>&#8220;If we don&#8217;t get off of non-renewables in this decade, then global climate change will change this life as we know it. We are in a crisis,&#8221; Freeman said at last week&#8217;s hearing. &#8220;As a guy who has run utilities, I can tell you it&#8217;s important to keep their feet to the fire.”</p>
<p>David Freeman knows what he’s talking about. He isn’t some spotted owl lover who likes to camp out in trees. He’s a clear-headed businessman who has seen how things work from the inside. His words ring very prophetic, &#8220;As a guy who has run utilities, I can tell you it&#8217;s important to keep their feet to the fire.” Opponents of Prop 7 want to extinguish the fire and return to the “good ol’ days” when no one paid attention to the environment and renewables were simply ideas that old hippies played around with. This old hippy wants to turn up the heat on that fire and make sure that big business does what it’s supposed to do, become environmentally conscious and concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2008/08/18/californias-proposition-7/comment-page-1/#comment-91045</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the price of oil goes up the relative price of renewables goes down. Technology tends to increase efficiency. Competition keeps the price low. We should be encouraging innovation in whatever form it takes. Any measure that squeezes out the small player cannot be good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the price of oil goes up the relative price of renewables goes down. Technology tends to increase efficiency. Competition keeps the price low. We should be encouraging innovation in whatever form it takes. Any measure that squeezes out the small player cannot be good.</p>
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		<title>By: James Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2008/08/18/californias-proposition-7/comment-page-1/#comment-91034</link>
		<dc:creator>James Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the big problems is actually that the big utilities will assume that the electorate will not take the time to reseasrch Proposition 7.  This proposiiton, after reading it, in no way 'squeezes out' small renewable energy producers.  Also, we need to realize this is a completely different market.  Utility-scale production versus small homes and businesses with photovoltaic panels.  Come on everyone.  The time is now to really do something.  Stop the bickering, stop the committees and town hall meetings.  WE now are faced with a historic opportunity.  Let's not forget who is fronting the bill for the opposition:  The big utilities that got is into the energy crisis mess in 2001.  Should we really side with them again??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the big problems is actually that the big utilities will assume that the electorate will not take the time to reseasrch Proposition 7.  This proposiiton, after reading it, in no way &#8217;squeezes out&#8217; small renewable energy producers.  Also, we need to realize this is a completely different market.  Utility-scale production versus small homes and businesses with photovoltaic panels.  Come on everyone.  The time is now to really do something.  Stop the bickering, stop the committees and town hall meetings.  WE now are faced with a historic opportunity.  Let&#8217;s not forget who is fronting the bill for the opposition:  The big utilities that got is into the energy crisis mess in 2001.  Should we really side with them again??</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2008/08/18/californias-proposition-7/comment-page-1/#comment-90984</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 02:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this writeup. I've written about this "&lt;a href="http://toxicculture.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/on-the-ballot-proposition-7/" rel="nofollow"&gt;On the Ballot Propostion 7&lt;/a&gt;" and feel like there's a real lack of informed discussion about this proposition in the electorate. 

One of the big problems with the initiative is that it squeezes out small providers (over 60% of CA's current solar providers) at the expense of larger, not-yet-built facilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this writeup. I&#8217;ve written about this &#8220;<a href="http://toxicculture.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/on-the-ballot-proposition-7/" rel="nofollow">On the Ballot Propostion 7</a>&#8221; and feel like there&#8217;s a real lack of informed discussion about this proposition in the electorate. </p>
<p>One of the big problems with the initiative is that it squeezes out small providers (over 60% of CA&#8217;s current solar providers) at the expense of larger, not-yet-built facilities.</p>
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