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	<title>Comments on: CLEVER &amp; Carver&#8217;s Tilt Cars</title>
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		<title>By: Smart... YAWN</title>
		<link>http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2008/01/19/clever-carvers-tilt-cars/comment-page-1/#comment-94854</link>
		<dc:creator>Smart... YAWN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 04:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its funny to me, i drive a modified 07 civic SI that was 19,950 out the door new, and i get (best was 44mpg highway) the (worst was 35mpg highway) but i average in NYC traffic 30mpg... so wait whats so great about the smart car? doesnt seem so smart to me, if anything the 1st generation Scion XB was much better then the smart car, got 35mpg on the highway, was cheap, could get 4 people in it with room to spare... Plus would run on regular... Smart??? I think not...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its funny to me, i drive a modified 07 civic SI that was 19,950 out the door new, and i get (best was 44mpg highway) the (worst was 35mpg highway) but i average in NYC traffic 30mpg&#8230; so wait whats so great about the smart car? doesnt seem so smart to me, if anything the 1st generation Scion XB was much better then the smart car, got 35mpg on the highway, was cheap, could get 4 people in it with room to spare&#8230; Plus would run on regular&#8230; Smart??? I think not&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kotowski</title>
		<link>http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2008/01/19/clever-carvers-tilt-cars/comment-page-1/#comment-81013</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kotowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 03:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually started design on a leaning vehicle, until I went through the equations! What I found, and you will too if you go through the equations, is that it is better and cheaper to simply lower the center of gravity.

I am working on an electric vehicle with the first goal being "affordable". I'd be interested in feedback, so here is some self-promotion (web host - OK?). Check out www.avianmotors.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually started design on a leaning vehicle, until I went through the equations! What I found, and you will too if you go through the equations, is that it is better and cheaper to simply lower the center of gravity.</p>
<p>I am working on an electric vehicle with the first goal being &#8220;affordable&#8221;. I&#8217;d be interested in feedback, so here is some self-promotion (web host - OK?). Check out <a href="http://www.avianmotors.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.avianmotors.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2008/01/19/clever-carvers-tilt-cars/comment-page-1/#comment-80697</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Clever has a fundamental problem with its titing merchanism.
Philip James in Australia has developed an elegant, technically coherent tilting system.  Why doent the EU, BMW, Bath University just bite the bullit and use his system.
http://www.tiltingvehicle.net/overview.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Clever has a fundamental problem with its titing merchanism.<br />
Philip James in Australia has developed an elegant, technically coherent tilting system.  Why doent the EU, BMW, Bath University just bite the bullit and use his system.<br />
<a href="http://www.tiltingvehicle.net/overview.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tiltingvehicle.net/overview.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tugboatwilly</title>
		<link>http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2008/01/19/clever-carvers-tilt-cars/comment-page-1/#comment-80332</link>
		<dc:creator>Tugboatwilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 23:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am surprised the JAPAN companies have not jumped on this like Subaru did the Audi 4X4 system. I imagine they or Koreans can do what Detroit can never consider, paying royalties to build something that works they did not invent. They would sell a million units a year in this country at $12000 a copy using the 100 mpg tech Venture Vehicles is planning.
  Funny thing no people running for office in this country can see how this type of vehicle could bring manufacturing back o the USA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised the JAPAN companies have not jumped on this like Subaru did the Audi 4X4 system. I imagine they or Koreans can do what Detroit can never consider, paying royalties to build something that works they did not invent. They would sell a million units a year in this country at $12000 a copy using the 100 mpg tech Venture Vehicles is planning.<br />
  Funny thing no people running for office in this country can see how this type of vehicle could bring manufacturing back o the USA.</p>
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		<title>By: PHEVadvocate</title>
		<link>http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2008/01/19/clever-carvers-tilt-cars/comment-page-1/#comment-78948</link>
		<dc:creator>PHEVadvocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about a Electric Vehicle or Plug-in Hybrid based on the Carver One?

www.flytheroad.com (offical site)

www.flytheroadclub.com (unoffical site) 

They are making lots of progress and they are talking $18K to $20K USD.

A common man's Tesla Roadster, that is just as much fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about a Electric Vehicle or Plug-in Hybrid based on the Carver One?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flytheroad.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.flytheroad.com</a> (offical site)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flytheroadclub.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.flytheroadclub.com</a> (unoffical site) </p>
<p>They are making lots of progress and they are talking $18K to $20K USD.</p>
<p>A common man&#8217;s Tesla Roadster, that is just as much fun!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 05:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What good is a green world when you can't afford it! With the exception of the Smart Car, none of these vehicles have the right combination of practicality, safety, and an economical price. So what if it looks cool? So what if it uses very little fuel? The reality is that between the cost of crude oil per barrel and the cost of these cars, perhaps we need to just go back to an agrarian lifestyle of growing food on our own land and selling homemade folk art crap to pay for everything else. 

I put $99.00 down on a Smart Car because the combination of 40 miles to the gallon and the low base sticker cost is right for my wallet. And before any of you out there start to say that the fuel economy is too low for a car so small, just remember two things. The cost is much lower than the Prius and you can usually beat the average MPG by acquiring better driving habits. 

That said, however, would the Smart Car be my first choice if there were other cars out there that promised real fuel economy at a truly low price? Maybe not. I do like this little car, but I have always wanted an electric car or some other type of vehicle that would not use gasoline. But there is always that problem of paying through the nose for a car like this. The upfront cost of most of these cars is so high that it forces the average person to look at the same old crap that the Big Three auto makers in Detroit continue to foist onto the world. Michigan was once the automotive capital of the world and now it is becoming a ghost town caused by the lack of vision of GM, FORD, and Chrysler. 

Despite the fact that they have great design teams who come out with prototypes that make people go crazy from excitement, they NEVER, NEVER, NEVER deliver any of these fantastic cars. Insanity! I come from a General Motors family. Almost every member of my family worked for General Motors. The vehicle I am driving now is a gas guzzling 2006 Saturn VUE. As soon as my Smart Car becomes available, I will get rid of the VUE thus ending my loyalty to a brand that put bread on my table only because GM sold me a car that makes it almost impossible to keep bread on my table and money in my wallet and has never offered an alternative vehicle for sale that makes the lives of lower income people a little easer.

All of these pie in the sky cars like the Clever, the Aptera, the Chevy Volt, and countless other cars that promise the moon but cost far more than what the average person can make are useless at the price they are being offered. I find it ironic that in a world where we can now manufacture something like an iPhone that is a technological masterpiece at such a low cost comparatively speaking to phones of the past that cost much more that the automakers continually insist that the production cost of a vehicle can never be brought down without sacrificing quality. BULL. The automotive industry has had well over 100 years or R&amp;D and yet still cannot break the 29MPG barrier for a "family" car? Cannot or will not? 

Airplanes have been around for less time and have advanced far more than the automobile. In just 66 years after the moment the Wright Brothers made their first flight, we landed on the moon with the Apollo 11. Think about it people. We went from an aircraft that was not much more than a gas engine powered kite to a 6 million pound rocket that WENT TO THE MOON in just 66 years! And yet somehow we can't make a car that costs $8,000 and gets 100 miles to the gallon? Don't blame the public for this by saying that what was built is what was wanted by the public. Nobody I knew wanted any of the cars that were built back in the 1980's, but that was all that was available back then.

None of the auto companies have ever been truly innovative. They keep falling back on old ideas and are killing the world with global warming and hyper inflation in fuel prices. And who pays the price for their mistakes? Us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What good is a green world when you can&#8217;t afford it! With the exception of the Smart Car, none of these vehicles have the right combination of practicality, safety, and an economical price. So what if it looks cool? So what if it uses very little fuel? The reality is that between the cost of crude oil per barrel and the cost of these cars, perhaps we need to just go back to an agrarian lifestyle of growing food on our own land and selling homemade folk art crap to pay for everything else. </p>
<p>I put $99.00 down on a Smart Car because the combination of 40 miles to the gallon and the low base sticker cost is right for my wallet. And before any of you out there start to say that the fuel economy is too low for a car so small, just remember two things. The cost is much lower than the Prius and you can usually beat the average MPG by acquiring better driving habits. </p>
<p>That said, however, would the Smart Car be my first choice if there were other cars out there that promised real fuel economy at a truly low price? Maybe not. I do like this little car, but I have always wanted an electric car or some other type of vehicle that would not use gasoline. But there is always that problem of paying through the nose for a car like this. The upfront cost of most of these cars is so high that it forces the average person to look at the same old crap that the Big Three auto makers in Detroit continue to foist onto the world. Michigan was once the automotive capital of the world and now it is becoming a ghost town caused by the lack of vision of GM, FORD, and Chrysler. </p>
<p>Despite the fact that they have great design teams who come out with prototypes that make people go crazy from excitement, they NEVER, NEVER, NEVER deliver any of these fantastic cars. Insanity! I come from a General Motors family. Almost every member of my family worked for General Motors. The vehicle I am driving now is a gas guzzling 2006 Saturn VUE. As soon as my Smart Car becomes available, I will get rid of the VUE thus ending my loyalty to a brand that put bread on my table only because GM sold me a car that makes it almost impossible to keep bread on my table and money in my wallet and has never offered an alternative vehicle for sale that makes the lives of lower income people a little easer.</p>
<p>All of these pie in the sky cars like the Clever, the Aptera, the Chevy Volt, and countless other cars that promise the moon but cost far more than what the average person can make are useless at the price they are being offered. I find it ironic that in a world where we can now manufacture something like an iPhone that is a technological masterpiece at such a low cost comparatively speaking to phones of the past that cost much more that the automakers continually insist that the production cost of a vehicle can never be brought down without sacrificing quality. BULL. The automotive industry has had well over 100 years or R&amp;D and yet still cannot break the 29MPG barrier for a &#8220;family&#8221; car? Cannot or will not? </p>
<p>Airplanes have been around for less time and have advanced far more than the automobile. In just 66 years after the moment the Wright Brothers made their first flight, we landed on the moon with the Apollo 11. Think about it people. We went from an aircraft that was not much more than a gas engine powered kite to a 6 million pound rocket that WENT TO THE MOON in just 66 years! And yet somehow we can&#8217;t make a car that costs $8,000 and gets 100 miles to the gallon? Don&#8217;t blame the public for this by saying that what was built is what was wanted by the public. Nobody I knew wanted any of the cars that were built back in the 1980&#8217;s, but that was all that was available back then.</p>
<p>None of the auto companies have ever been truly innovative. They keep falling back on old ideas and are killing the world with global warming and hyper inflation in fuel prices. And who pays the price for their mistakes? Us.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very old news... The Clever is not going anywhere as far as I know. They got lots of press but the chance of it ever going into production is negligible.
The Carver is available to buy now in Europe, but the price has limited any chance of broad appeal. Try one if you can; it is an amazing vehicle to drive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very old news&#8230; The Clever is not going anywhere as far as I know. They got lots of press but the chance of it ever going into production is negligible.<br />
The Carver is available to buy now in Europe, but the price has limited any chance of broad appeal. Try one if you can; it is an amazing vehicle to drive.</p>
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